Board Thread:Deep-Sea Prisoner Discussions/@comment-25955276-20161123015657/@comment-28097343-20161202080343

Yes, we're quite aware of the "Devils are never born; they are made" theory for a long while now.

But that aside... It's never actually proven that Etihw was the one to make the Gray World demons.

And that also aside...

It's worth remembering that Reficul only confronted and subsequently defeated Ivlis after Kcalb nerfed him. Ivlis was also able to capture Etihw. Regardless of Etihw being rusty or not, capturing a God is a feat that is neither easy or small.

And frankly speaking, we really don't know whether Kcalb actually did stand on equal footing with Etihw during the War, so that's out. We'll need to wait for the prequel of TGG before we even think about using this as a case in point.

We also don't know Reficul's powers. And if you say "warping", then that's just not it. Most anyone with enough power can do that (Heck, even a snowman like Sunosan could do it).

Post TGG-wise, Ivlis is definitely the weakest (though we still don't know anything about Rosaliya). But pre-TGG is really up to debate and something I don't particularly care to debate about.