User blog:Str00pwafell/Future Discussion Points

This page is somewhere for me to dump discussion points that I want to bring up in the future. Users are more than free to look at this, but know that what I'm writing down here are drafts and that nothing is final. I'd also request to please not start talking about these points preemptively as a result of reading them here (I'm not saying these topics are inherently off-limit as a result of me putting them here lol, don't worry). But what I do write down here, I'll bring up myself when I've got all my thoughts sorted out and have the time/energy to partake in a discussion. My thanks for understanding!

DSP Page Name
Is it time we change DSP's wiki pagename to "Deep-Sea Prisoner/Funamusea" ? It's her handle on all social media platforms.

Torisan
Torisan's page lists them as male but has that ever actually been confirmed or is it just an assumption someone once made? We can check with Yao to see if she recalls anything, and otherwise change the pronouns to be gender neutral.

Unnamed Characters Masterlist

 * Discuss: Naming of unnamed characters outside of unnamed characters masterlist (I think they should only be referred to with unnamed terms, not the nicknames? Idk)

SD Page
Make 1 overview page for all SD manga? (since we know there will be at least three and a half)

Sprite Gallery Sectioning
"Normal" is a bit of a vague word. I think it's better if we replace it with "talking sprites" or "walking sprites" or "portrait sprites" etc.

Yonaka/LP referral
We need to sort out how to refer to Yonaka/LP before Hashasky drops. I think it makes most sense to use whichever name depending on who did whatever is being talked about, though we all need to be on the same page regarding that. Honestly, seeing how she will presumably be referred to as Lord Prosciutto throughout all of Hashasky, I think it makes most sense to rename her page to Yonaka Kurai/Lord Prosciutto. But we'll just have to see how things go. (Linking to "Yonaka Kurai" or "Lord Prociutto" would then redirect to the page)

Gallery Sectioning Change Proposal
=== Games === ==== Any games the character appeared in ==== === Manga === ==== Any manga the character appeared in ==== [...] === Website Artwork === ==== Genderbend ==== ==== [Cat AU] ====


 * NOTE: If a character plays a major role in a manga rather than a game (take for instance, Kurotsuno) then the Manga section is to be put above the Game section.


 * Explanation:
 * Currently only some pages have an "In-game Photos" top-section, but this is lacking in the manga department (I was initially a bit confused by it and removed it on some pages). Making this change would ensure consistency and we'll all be on the same page. Also the naming of "In-game Photos" is a bit roundabout, I think just "Games" also does the trick.
 * Genderbend and Cat AU artwork is also website artwork, so it makes sense for them to be sub-sections.

Make a Mogeko Castle (Original) page?

 * I think the wiki is incomplete without it. We can have two pages: Mogeko Castle (Original) and Mogeko Castle (Remake). We can make it so that linking to just Mogeko Castle will redirect to the remake.
 * Sidenote: I think the original should also get added to the top navigation
 * Sidenote 2: Is there a reason the WATGBS reboot is not included in the top navigation? I think we should add it.
 * Sidenote 3: Let's include both SD manga in the top nav (or the SD main page if people are ok with creating a page like that)
 * We can add a little disambiguation to the top of the original game's page redirecting to the remake page
 * It's ok if we don't have a ton of information about the original: it will be nice to have the information that we do have centralized, such as the images.
 * We increase the chances of someone perhaps finding the lost Japanese version by shedding more light onto its existence
 * We'll have something to link to in the cg and sprite headings, since the people that don't know of the original (read: most fans) will probably have questions about it if they see it in the galleries
 * If someone ever asks what the original is you can just link the wiki page

Infoboxes

 * Explain the idea with the parameters for nicknames/aliases

SD 2 Characters
Discuss: Elizabeth should receive her own page since she is a named character. Victor's daughters should be put on the unnamed masterlist (without image of course). We can send a Marshmallow perhaps asking whether Flankenstein is also Elizabeth's last name, and whether Vicor's daughters have names.

Page Protection

 * Discuss with other staff before implementing new notice boxes: One thing I really want to work on is making wiki-editing more accessible and less intimidating to newcomers. Hence the new article stub notice mentions you can create an account if you don't have one already to edit the page in question. But if the page in question is semi-protected, a user with a newly-created account won't be able to edit it off the bat because they're not autoconfirmed (yet). I think this will cause confusion. Therefore we could maybe consider this: while an article has the "article stub" notice, the protection is temporarily set to "all users" (with an account of course) instead of "auto-confirmed-only." When the page is completed and the stub notice is removed, we set it back to auto-confirmed only. Vandalism has been infrequent these days so I think it's a safe bet.

Sidebar

 * Also on the topic of making wiki editing more accessible, I think it would be great if like the MLB wiki we added a section to the sidebar so users have easy access to:
 * Tutorials
 * Article stubs
 * Community to-do list
 * Contact with wiki staff
 * "New to Wiki Editing? Here's all you need to know!" I also think that somewhere in that sidebar, or somewhere else new users are bound to come across, we should reassure them that beginner mistakes are completely understandable, and that we can revert a page back with one click if something goes wrong. Because hearing "I'm afraid of messing it up" is one of the most common things I hear from new editors, and I'm sure it's holding some people back from even giving it a try.
 * Maybe also with a video tutorial ? Hmmmm

Physical Desc. Sections

 * Discuss: physical description sections. I've personally been thinking for a while that we should consider changing our approach to them.
 * I have the impression most people never really utilize the physical description section since they just look at the portrait image, yet it is the very first section on character pages, and is often incredibly wordy. To summarize: the user requirements aren't optimized from this perspective.


 * The physical description section could still serve usage to people with visual imparities, but also from this perspective I think the section is not optimized either, for I think such a description would focus more on overall design and impression rather than go into nitty gritty details.


 * Therefore the following proposals:
 * We changed the section name from "physical description" to "Design"
 * This also allows us to bring up any beta-design a character might have in this section. We can include it as a thumbnail as well.
 * We focus on a character's overall style, rather than take a very literal route and offer an in-depth description for the character portrait.
 * Below are three examples to further help illustrate what I have in mind. I think the section will be more useful to people this way.

Proposed Structure
>>> Include 1-2 images in the section to liven up the wall of text and substantiate the section.
 * 1) Short summary of inherent features such as skin color, eye color, horns and wings.
 * 2) A brief description of the character's main outfit and overall clothing style
 * 3) Genderbend counterpart (if applicable)
 * 4) Past design (how they looked in the past) (if applicable)
 * 5) Beta-design (if applicable)

Current
Satanick has a peculiar design with some noticeable features. He has raceless white skin, his eyes are as purple as the phlox flower, and pale purple horns whose prongs curl at the tips, the texture reminiscent to old tree bark. [3]

He sports a charming, sable color-schemed ensemble which consists of a black double-breasted dress suit that has been featured with black or red buttons with matching just as black dress pants. He wears a white dress shirt under his jacket while sporting a crimson, Victorian-styled bow tie along with it. His cape is black, as well, with its interior red, wing-like appendages jutting at the top ends. He also wears white gloves and black Oxfords with red soles.

In his character art, his attire takes on a more military theme. His dress jacket is layered with a beige coat with a darker shade of brown on the cuffs. His pants are a tad baggier with two white buttons each at the cuffs with brown combat boots on his feet. His cape takes on a similar shape as his other outfit, only with a hue closer to bronze with red spikes and diamonds decorating it. It also looks like he has arm-like shadow accessories at his sides.

My Suggestion
Satanick has black hair, eyes as purple as the phlox flower, and raceless white skin. In some illustrations it can be seen that the inside of the back of his hair is in fact red - a trait he shares with his brother Fumus and son Licorice. Atop his head are two purple horns whose prongs curl at the tips, their texture reminiscent of old tree bark. [ref]

Satanick's style of dress is rather formal. He is often seen wearing a suit and tie, alongside gloves and a cape from which devil wings sprout. In more casual settings he adjusts accordingly by for instance wearing a plain white shirt alongside a black pair of pants. Color-wise he generally sticks to black with red accents.

Satanick's genderbend counderpart, Satanica, has a similar elegant style of dress, though with a cute element mixed in as well. Instead of a suit and tie, she is seen opting for a black overall skirt with a petticoat underneath. She accessorizes with red ribbons. In the past, Satanick cape etc etc. Victor sad very sad etc. Cape disintegrates in DL2????

Notably, Satanick has only been seen in one artwork with the outfit featured in his character portrait. The reason behind this remains unknown. The outfit in his character portrait includes a Victorian style of dress, with, unlike his typical outfits, shades of brown being included in the colors as well. Strikingly, it also features two big claws sprouting from the back of his cape, a trait it has in common with Satanick's beta-design. This beta-design was far more extravagant than his current design. It featured a lot of details and a more punk aesthetic. His cape was also lighter brown instead of the black it is today.

Current
Kurotsuno has long, straight gray hair. She wears a basic three-button black vest over a plain white, narrow-collared shirt and black tie, a black box pleated skirt, black thigh high socks with a white rim, and black knee-high boots. She has black scleras and lime irises. Her demon horns are mismatched; one gray with three black stripes and a piercing, while the other has many geometric shapes and is black with white circles.

When going out, Kurotsuno wears a double-breasted coat or a duffle cape and scarf over her usual attire.

As Olivia, she has long brown hair reaching her waist. She wears two silver earrings, one on each ear and has dark red eyes. She wears a white vest with black buttons over a dark gray, long-sleeved collared shirt. She also wears a white knife-pleated skirt with gray stockings and tall white boots with black buttons.

My Suggestion
Kurotsuno has long straight gray hair with a hime fringe. Black sclera with yellow irises. She not only wears a piercing in both ears, but also one in her left horn. Wings. Most notable about Kurotsuno's design are her asymmetrical horns, which seemingly grew this way. They are unique in this regard, as currently the only other two demons known to have asymmetrical horns got theirs as a result of an injury later on in life.

Kurotsuno's style of dress is formal and elegant. She is always seen wearing black clothing, xyz. In some supplementary images she is seen wearing gothic lolita-esque fashion. xyz

Kurotsuno's genderbend counterpart sticks much to the same style as she does. Differences include his hair being shorter and his horn-piercing missing. As Olivia, she had red eyes and brown hair styled the same as she wears it today. She had a similar style of dress as well, though her clothing's colors were notably different. Instead of the blacks Kurotsuno wears today, Olivia wore browns, whites, and grays. She also wore a necklace around her neck, which appeared in the Obsolete Dream prologue, indicating future relevance.

Current
Aconita has raceless white skin, black hair tied into two long braids by turquoise ribbons, turquoise eyes with dark blue pupils, and gray and turquoise nails.

She wears a black dress decorated with two blue ribbons on the lapel. Her black dress parts at the right side at the hips, revealing a white petticoat underneath. She wears white stockings that have buttons on them with black flats. Her halo is melting and has gradients from black to turquoise.

My Suggestion
To be added.