Thread:A Bystander/@comment-28097343-20170318041359/@comment-28097343-20170319110449

The real question is 'has anyone even tried asking? ' I have. No answer whatsoever even until now.

That aside... I never said that the section Higan is in is for Hybrids. I said that unless DSP clarifies it themselves, then people will keep seeing her as a Hybrid while thinking of the section as the Hybrid's section.

Another problem that I've been noticing is that we're starting to think of the character sections as "species" rather than "categories." Based on DSP's works thus far, Devils don't seem to be "born", rather they're made. Ivlis is said to be a "demon created from Siralos' flame", not  "a devil created from Siralos' flame." And, Reficul seems to have been a seraph prior to becoming a devil. So, based on this, devilism is not a birth trait.

This might be a bad example, but imagine this. We have two people who have extensive body tattoos(their entire body is covered in tattoos.) If they have a child, their chlid will not have any tattoos. Devilism is likable to the tattoos in this case; while (using Ivlis and Satanick as an example) Ivlis and Satanick might be devils, their devilism is not an inheritable trait, and their children will come out as demons. Same goes for Mors' situation, albeit more awkwardly seeing as his mother's a weird ass angel demon devil thing. Yes, we've established that long ago (and yes, that is a bad example...). Which begs the question: What makes a Devil? I don't believe it's related to how Demons flock around them and obey their orders. Lavinrac's got subordinates, from what little we can speculate from the artworks and her title as a "Feudal Lord", and yet she's still a normal Demon. So what is a Devil exactly, and why aren't they like normal Demons? How did Reficul turn into one when we have Fallen Angels like Bear Claw and Aconita? They fell, as well, and yet they're neither Demon or Devil. So what truly makes a Devil? And why can't the offspring of Devils become Devils themselves? This is something we can't answer ourselves no matter how much we try to make our points about the matter.

We don't call Igls Unth a God because she was born from Siralos, right? We also don't call Poemi and Adauchi devils even though they came from Ivlis. Because we know they weren't created through sexual production. If you make a robot aimed to look like a human, you still wouldn't call it a human now, would you?

We also shouldn't take Meikai's words too literally. I mean, Meikai refers to himself as the sea when he's talking to Wadanohara's egg. Even though... he isn't a body of salt water. There he's referring more to symbols if anything. Meikai seems to be saying, if anything, that Wadanohara's mother is associated with the moon, not actually some magic moon creature. Hell, Wadanohara's mother could be some moon witch for all we know! Also note that Tatsumiya said that Meikai went up there and "gave the moon a kiss". And really, with food and object gijinkas, are we really going to argue about this? Sure, we shouldn't take it too literally, but with DSP, can you really ignore that Wadanohara's mother may actually be the moon itself? But again, we go back to the--->"Unless DSP confirms it themselves, we may never know~"

Though, Minami is a little harder to explain. I'd argue that perhaps the "supernatural section" (pumpkin and star of david) is a category that you aren't really "born into", but you "transition" into. So, while Minami is technically a Shark-Witch hybrid, it still wouldn't be wrong to place him into the section he's in. That sounds like a headcanon. Care to explain why you think that is?

There's no inconsistencies; just '''unknowns. ''' Wow, you're really set on that, huh? Well, to each their own, then. I see that nothing I say will change your mind, and it's wrong to try forcing people to think with your mindset. Therefore, I'm dropping it. Back to the topic at hand.

While I do agree that we don't want a wiki that interprets things themselves excessively(look at where Lee got us! Bunch of fanons floating around that I can't even tell are fanon.) at the same time we don't want to be overly indecisive. Like, come '''on! Minami was so obviously the child of Wadanohara and Samekichi, '''but for months on end(even after the release of two banners that heavily suggested that he was their child) we still used very vague terms to describe him and his relationships. And, no one's gotten around to editing infoboxes that need to be edited for Minami's case, either. (If I have permission, I'd like to edit the boxes to reflect on Minami) That's what I said but in a longer version. And sure, go ahead if you want to edit it. Just be sure to keep the writing style tidy.