Talk:Ivlis/@comment-37685812-20181201214510/@comment-32045687-20181202214346

I get where you coming from to me the whole ivlis getting raped thing is just getting old and i feel he is in a corner and cant get much if at all charcter development first of all as you stated "He dosent even have the will the will to bail"  if he cant even muster the will to run away or atleast fight back a little from his abusers then i see no way for him to grow as a charcter.Which makes me feel sad cause overtime the more this happens the more old it gets which leads to the fandom just hating it if we dont already hate it.

Plus im with you on the gay thing being forced and to me dosent make sense cause he would techincally bi if he like boys and girls though i know about thos girls being exceptions he still likes both genders nonetheless.

And in the distorted love comics satanick became a worse character to me like he confessed his love stopped himself from possibly killing Ivlis like he did in the bad end and didnt harm him much physically at least then not even 3-5 comics for no apperent reason he goes back the abusing ivlis which to me made his love confession mean nothing.